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dackius · 06-07-2008, 04:32 AM

After reading the lastest chapter, and seeing that Aizen has admitted to having his hand in the Vizard, Urahara is present, and now going to fight Aizen. And knowing ALL parties invovled live through the fight, I am really kinda curious who says what to the other captains, to have the outcome be Vizards leave, Urahara banished (if not immediately, shortly after), and Aizen and crew all promoted (eventually). Unless Urahara and the Vizards never try and speak their case and just flee, I can't really understand why Aizen and them have not been dealt with...

I know Aizen can probably claim he wasn't there, and that Yamamoto and others might claim anyone "hollowish" won't be hear, and that Urahara should have no say cause he disobeyed an order not to go... but that even those reasons seem a little weak to drop the charges...

Needless to say, I am looking forward eagerly to the next couple of chapters.

Kenny Neo · 06-07-2008, 06:02 AM

I say Shinji and the others turns hollowish and Yamamoto banish them from soul society because that might threaten soul society. You know that Yamamoto fears anyone might take over his place

silversatyr · 06-07-2008, 10:10 AM

I could see the Vizards not getting a fair hearing considering that they're now basically hollows by Soul Society standards. Hell, they may even be afraid for their lives and flee, considering that shinigami are supposed to kill hollows.

All indications seem to lead to the thought amongst Soul Society that the Vizards are dead/not known to be alive except by a few people like Urahara and Ichigo's dad.

And I wouldn't put it past Aizen to have a back-up plan in case anything goes wrong - ie Urahara. I mean, Urahara's disobeyed orders outright and with the help of um... I forget his name - it may seem a bit 'conspiracy-like'. Plus, Aizen can use Gin and Kanake as alibis if need be. Aizen could pin the blame on him, as he's the 'new guy' in the ranks.

yasiru89 · 06-07-2008, 10:57 AM

Aizen may well use Shunsui as an alibi! However, there seems to be a much deeper reason as to why all this never got out; I can't even think of much right now!

dackius · 06-07-2008, 03:54 PM

I am pretty sure Aizen can be his own alibi as he already explained he's got someone filling in for him (Wonder what ever happened that to guy in modern day?)

But I am more interested in is Aizen vs Urahara in the political/social/justice sense. Urahara is a Captain, Aizen is only a Lt. You would think it would give Urahara's word more weight, as well as having the Kido captain. I mean everything points to Aizen being caught right now, which makes me wonder if his hypnosis was used on Yamamoto or something, or if Yamamoto is actually allied with Aizen... as I'm not really sure what excuse can be used here. Unless the vizard flee without saying anything, and so does Urahara... Although I am curious as the present relations with Urahara and SS, as they have stated that Kisuke opened the gate way and tinkered with the captains limit releasers and stuff at Yamamoto's demands, but if he was banished, you'd think he would be alittle upset about it... I don't know

myname_989 · 06-07-2008, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by dackius

I am pretty sure Aizen can be his own alibi as he already explained he's got someone filling in for him (Wonder what ever happened that to guy in modern day?)

But I am more interested in is Aizen vs Urahara in the political/social/justice sense. Urahara is a Captain, Aizen is only a Lt. You would think it would give Urahara's word more weight, as well as having the Kido captain. I mean everything points to Aizen being caught right now, which makes me wonder if his hypnosis was used on Yamamoto or something, or if Yamamoto is actually allied with Aizen... as I'm not really sure what excuse can be used here. Unless the vizard flee without saying anything, and so does Urahara... Although I am curious as the present relations with Urahara and SS, as they have stated that Kisuke opened the gate way and tinkered with the captains limit releasers and stuff at Yamamoto's demands, but if he was banished, you'd think he would be alittle upset about it... I don't know

i think that Urahara is banished later in the story. seeing how, he still
has not been seen actually "creating" the Hougyoku, which i think was
a last effort attempt to change the Vaizard back to normal.

Theinen · 06-07-2008, 05:48 PM

or maybe he developed it on his own later. for all we know aizen might just use absolute hypnosis on the other captains to keep his plans flowing, whereas of course, only person who would believe kisuke would be yourichi. i mean i'll assume the other captains are under absolute hypnosis as well since they thought that guy was aizen too.

dackius · 06-08-2008, 05:08 AM

While I understand the power is named "Absolute Hypnosis" it seems to be more of a "perfect illusion" as I don't think it actually does anything else??? I could be wrong, but Aizen seems to make it seem like everyone is under his power after seeing it, but do we know it does anything but trick your senses? Cause I don't believe Urahara leaves just yet, but I really don't see these two hanging out in SS killing time.

I mean, I know he's using a cloak to mask his power, but he banished for making Gigai that mask it right?

Perhaps after this fight the Vizards wish to flee, so he makes them these Gigai , and that's why he's banished, and yet somehow never gets to actually point out to anyone Aizen is in need of some good ol' fashion ruthless, bloody justice. And as much as I could see Kisuke being so obsessed with trying to perfect his inventions to help out his friends he forgets to rat out Aizen, Captian and follower "Murder" doesn't really sound like it has a statute of limitations on it.

myname_989 · 06-08-2008, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by dackius

I mean, I know he's using a cloak to mask his power, but he banished for making Gigai that mask it right?

technically, he is banned for making the Gigai that drains the spiritual
energy, rendering the Shinigami to live a human lifestyle. however, there
could be underlying reasons for his banishing.

yasiru89 · 06-09-2008, 05:50 AM

It may have something intrinsically to do with Hougyoku as well, now that we know the Vizard and Urahara are connected!

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06-07-2008, 04:32 AM	#1 (permalink)
dackius Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 35	He said/She said After reading the lastest chapter, and seeing that Aizen has admitted to having his hand in the Vizard, Urahara is present, and now going to fight Aizen. And knowing ALL parties invovled live through the fight, I am really kinda curious who says what to the other captains, to have the outcome be Vizards leave, Urahara banished (if not immediately, shortly after), and Aizen and crew all promoted (eventually). Unless Urahara and the Vizards never try and speak their case and just flee, I can't really understand why Aizen and them have not been dealt with... I know Aizen can probably claim he wasn't there, and that Yamamoto and others might claim anyone "hollowish" won't be hear, and that Urahara should have no say cause he disobeyed an order not to go... but that even those reasons seem a little weak to drop the charges... Needless to say, I am looking forward eagerly to the next couple of chapters.

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06-07-2008, 06:02 AM	#2 (permalink)
Kenny Neo Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 75	I say Shinji and the others turns hollowish and Yamamoto banish them from soul society because that might threaten soul society. You know that Yamamoto fears anyone might take over his place

06-07-2008, 10:10 AM	#3 (permalink)
silversatyr Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 5	I could see the Vizards not getting a fair hearing considering that they're now basically hollows by Soul Society standards. Hell, they may even be afraid for their lives and flee, considering that shinigami are supposed to kill hollows. All indications seem to lead to the thought amongst Soul Society that the Vizards are dead/not known to be alive except by a few people like Urahara and Ichigo's dad. And I wouldn't put it past Aizen to have a back-up plan in case anything goes wrong - ie Urahara. I mean, Urahara's disobeyed orders outright and with the help of um... I forget his name - it may seem a bit 'conspiracy-like'. Plus, Aizen can use Gin and Kanake as alibis if need be. Aizen could pin the blame on him, as he's the 'new guy' in the ranks.

06-07-2008, 10:57 AM	#4 (permalink)
yasiru89 Kwisatz Haderach Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 2,169	Aizen may well use Shunsui as an alibi! However, there seems to be a much deeper reason as to why all this never got out; I can't even think of much right now!

06-07-2008, 03:54 PM	#5 (permalink)
dackius Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 35	I am pretty sure Aizen can be his own alibi as he already explained he's got someone filling in for him (Wonder what ever happened that to guy in modern day?) But I am more interested in is Aizen vs Urahara in the political/social/justice sense. Urahara is a Captain, Aizen is only a Lt. You would think it would give Urahara's word more weight, as well as having the Kido captain. I mean everything points to Aizen being caught right now, which makes me wonder if his hypnosis was used on Yamamoto or something, or if Yamamoto is actually allied with Aizen... as I'm not really sure what excuse can be used here. Unless the vizard flee without saying anything, and so does Urahara... Although I am curious as the present relations with Urahara and SS, as they have stated that Kisuke opened the gate way and tinkered with the captains limit releasers and stuff at Yamamoto's demands, but if he was banished, you'd think he would be alittle upset about it... I don't know

06-07-2008, 05:48 PM	#7 (permalink)
Theinen Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 243	or maybe he developed it on his own later. for all we know aizen might just use absolute hypnosis on the other captains to keep his plans flowing, whereas of course, only person who would believe kisuke would be yourichi. i mean i'll assume the other captains are under absolute hypnosis as well since they thought that guy was aizen too.

06-08-2008, 05:08 AM	#8 (permalink)
dackius Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 35	While I understand the power is named "Absolute Hypnosis" it seems to be more of a "perfect illusion" as I don't think it actually does anything else??? I could be wrong, but Aizen seems to make it seem like everyone is under his power after seeing it, but do we know it does anything but trick your senses? Cause I don't believe Urahara leaves just yet, but I really don't see these two hanging out in SS killing time. I mean, I know he's using a cloak to mask his power, but he banished for making Gigai that mask it right? Perhaps after this fight the Vizards wish to flee, so he makes them these Gigai , and that's why he's banished, and yet somehow never gets to actually point out to anyone Aizen is in need of some good ol' fashion ruthless, bloody justice. And as much as I could see Kisuke being so obsessed with trying to perfect his inventions to help out his friends he forgets to rat out Aizen, Captian and follower "Murder" doesn't really sound like it has a statute of limitations on it.

06-09-2008, 05:50 AM	#10 (permalink)
yasiru89 Kwisatz Haderach Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 2,169	It may have something intrinsically to do with Hougyoku as well, now that we know the Vizard and Urahara are connected!