[myname_989]

Originally Posted by Theinen

For the other skeptics (don't want to give all my details until someone entertains the idea), look at it this way, Kenpachi of Zaraki, Byakuya Kuchiki, and Mayuri (sorry don't know his last name >.<) why do you REALLY think Ol'Yamma sent them to HM? Do you REALLY think he sent them to help out a quincy and a ryoka? Let alone 2 shinigami and a shinigami representive that defied his direct orders. He may have told them what they needed to hear in order to go, especially Byakuya who has vowed to obey the rules now, or he may have told them the truth about orihime. I mean c'mon, he sent his powerhouses after them. While he and the others prepared to face the brunt of the attack. Think on that and other Orihime related events...

you make a convincing argument. has Aizen figured this out? is this
the real reason for keeping Inoue Orihime in Hueco Mundo. haha,
i have no idea. although, it has been stated that the "king" is actually
a figure head, maybe not even knowing they are the "king" of Soul
Society.

i think that i can agree with you. you have persuaded me to believe
that Inoue Orihime is the queen of Soul Society, haha. and maybe the
Royal Guard is that blatantly obvious, surrounding Orihime. Isshin, the
teacher, etc. it could happen.

oh, by the way, its Mayuri Kurotsuchi.

[ma.perry]

Originally Posted by Theinen

For the other skeptics (don't want to give all my details until someone entertains the idea), look at it this way, Kenpachi of Zaraki, Byakuya Kuchiki, and Mayuri (sorry don't know his last name >.<) why do you REALLY think Ol'Yamma sent them to HM? Do you REALLY think he sent them to help out a quincy and a ryoka? Let alone 2 shinigami and a shinigami representive that defied his direct orders. He may have told them what they needed to hear in order to go, especially Byakuya who has vowed to obey the rules now, or he may have told them the truth about orihime. I mean c'mon, he sent his powerhouses after them. While he and the others prepared to face the brunt of the attack. Think on that and other Orihime related events...

lol... orihime? haha she got her power because of Ichigo. (correct me if i'm wrong)
hmmm old Yama sent them as reinforcements. You have to admit that Ichigo now is really important for SS as an ally. (he's one of their assets, and they knew he has this unknown great potential, and also, they just wont let the others get killed... they don't wanna lose any of their allies for this up coming war, and to prevent that, they had to sent reinforcement). And as I recall, they were really planning going to HM even before Orihime got kidnapped... that's why old Yama ordered Urahara to work for the gate. Plus, byakuya didn't really broke the rules, He just let rukia and renji do what they wanna do.
Remember what yama said?
he wanted them to abandon Orihime.

[Theinen]

and there you go closing yourself off to the possibilites.

so you're telling me they sent three of their captains, even after having admitted that the pride and joy of SS are the captains of the Gotei 13, without them SS is generally defenseless. Even after admitting that Aizen has, in fact, successfully managed to seperate and weaken them. Even after they wouldn't allow Ichigo to train with them to become stronger. You're telling me that they further weakened themselves by sending backup to rouge shinigami when they were about to face the brunt of the attack? No no, i don't think so. that's just not smart on any level.

But i'll play on your idea a bit more.... WHY would they care so much about Ichigo? because of his strength? please, just let him die and make him a full shinigami and take full advantage of it. No, they care so much about Kurosaki Ichigo because Orihime does. They protect him for her sake. They have to keep the king/queen happy no? She wants him to live, then dammit he's gonna live. Again, I'm only speculating, and for any reason that you can give me for being wrong, i have seen enough examples to shoot right back at you directly from the story.

And thanks for Mayuri's last name, and I didn't think of Division 0 being those who surrounded Orihime.... you have a good point... what if the captain of squad 12 before kisuke is actually the karate chick in orihime's class? she's even threatened ichigo over her, and is very protective of her. VERY protective, even in flashbacks. what if isshin really IS part of the royal guard like many people speculate and they're just protecting her, and while he was there protecting the king/queen he fell in love. huh? huh? what if the reason the town would make the perfect key to the king's throne is because it really IS the key? thanks for fueling my speculations lol.

[yasiru89]

Err... Tatsuki being division 0 is where I draw the line- sorry.
ha ha

ok, well sending a bunch of captains to Hueco Mundo isn't that a strategically bad decision; Aizen loses his base and he has one less place to go to if (really a matter of when) he decides to escape!

As ma.perry says I also thought it was said that Inoue and Chad developed their powers due to Ichigo (which gives me some hope he'll live through the onslaught!) and that doesn't fit in with things.

but of course there are still ways of incorporating Orihime (hime=princess after all!) to royalty. I'm open to it but well... I'd be disappointed if it were the case...

[Kenny Neo]

Aizen didn't lose his base. He just ignore those idiots trying to save Orihime. If Aizen wanna kill them, he could take them any day of the week. Aizen can hurt Ichigo badly with one kido - Black Coffin just like he did to that captain 'bear'

[Theinen]

why is that where you draw the line? because of how she acts? heh, look at isshin. and yes, it was said that they developed their powers from ichigo from being around him. at least that's what some characters assumed. for all we know being around orihime is what made ichigo so insanely strong. or maybe he just awakened her powers, as opposed to giving them to her. but because one character, one sneaky, somewhat underhanded, clever, won't tell you anything unless you ABSOLUTLEY need to know character says they developed their powers from ichigo can be easily dismissed. hasn't it also been said that nobody every quits SS? yet there are three obviously powerful previous captains in this town and i'm pretty sure SS is aware of it.

so with you saying how they were told their powers come from ichigo, i can just say they were simply told that to protect Orihime's identity. i mean even with chad he was already stronger than a normal person before "receiving" his powers from ichigo. who's to say that ichigo actually gave them their powers? maybe it's a play on words and by them "receiving their powers from ichigo's overflowing reiatsu in constant battle", it could simply mean that they sensed their friend was in trouble and desperately wanted to help. they both have those selfless characteristics already, but orihime's feelings for ichigo, and chad's pact, would only make them want to help more. maybe them wanting to help their friend so badly broke the barriers that were set in place and simply awakened their power. i mean they weren't the only people ichigo has been around so much fightin, if it was that simple, then why hasn't that kid with the dominating older sister who liked ikkaku developed powers?

he's been saved by ichigo so much it's not even funny, he's been around ikkaku and the beautiful guy for quite a while while they were living with him. he was there when ikkaku released his bankai. and don't rule out people because of how we see them act, back on tatsuki now, that's what a secret identity means. throwing off suspicion. don't have to bring up spiderman or anybody. look at urahara, isshin, yourichi, the guy with the mustache that lives with urahara. there's been plenty of proof in this story alone. the defense rests

[Theinen]

oh wait, forgot to touch base on sending the captains to HM. you say it wasn't a bad strategic move? the captains, as of now, are frigging trapped there, and they knew it when they came. Ol'Yamma asked urahara beforehand to make it so ALL the captains would be able to fight freely without limits in the living world without destroying the town. the gates to HM were a last minute thing. Not to mention that the only hollow stronger than Arracanar are the Vastro Lords (hope i spelled that right), and aizen literally has an army of them. not only does he have an army of them, but those in his army are the strongest and highest ranking among the arracanar. simply put, in a way aizen has essentially taken over HM. we know the VLs don't concern themselves with the small fish because they're so strong, so they don't really care as long as he doesn't mess with them, and we know he's been trying to persuade them to his cause as well. taking the castle that he built mind you, does not take away his place to hide. he'll just build another one, or go anywhere else in HM if need be.

sorry but sending the captains there JUST to help ichigo when they knew all hell was about to break loose, and yes, for them to all be there waiting and have already swapped the town to SS for the fake one, they knew, it's just not smart. there has to be something else to it. i mean look at who went, with the exception of zaraki, who only needs an excuse to fight, all of them would need a real reason for going. Mayuri would need some greater knowledge or reasoning, and we know how interested he was in orihime so now he knows WHY she has those unique powers. yea you could say byakuya went for rukia since we know he's not heartless now. but he still follows the rules. there's something else at work. the defense rests again

[myname_989]

and then again, the Captain Commander has been around a
very long time. maybe he has dual motive for sending the
captains he did to Hueco Mundo, especially Mayuri Kurotsuchi.
im sure that he wants something out of there.

[ma.perry]

so you mean... old yama and the other would just let Ichigo, Renji, Rukia, Chad, Ishida
get killed there? as I said... To prevent that... they have to send reinforsement,the four captains, w/c as yasiru89 said it was s a wise move. now no one get killed so far, only the espadas. and the others are beaten (#9,8,7,6,5 espadas!!!) they didn't really expect that they'll get trap in HM.
if Icigo and the others never have gone to HM to save Orihime, they'll just probably abandon her, as stated in episode 142.
old yama made a move after hearing ichigo and the others went there.
i don't buy the idea, but i'm not really saying it's impossible.
it just that,it doesn't convince me more...
i'll probably go the idea that Isshin is the king instead of orihime is the queen. lol

[Theinen]

right myname, yamma has been around a long time and probably had a dual motive, which, during a bizarre chain of thoughts, lead me to this whole queen orihime theory. and yes, yes i do think he would've just let ichigo and the others die. shinigami are like friggin jedi. they don't let their emotions or anything influence their decision, there's a serious motive behind it. those who follow emotions instead of rules are looked down on in SS, and in the jedi order they've been considered to have fallen, or on the path to the dark side.

you say he would've just abandoned orihime? heh, i think not. rukia said it, and one of the captains said, that plans were in motion to get orihime back, ichigo, chad and uryuu just jumped the gun. rukia said it when she and renji caught up with them, and i'm not sure which captain, but i believe that all three sort of mentioned it in revolving cutscenes but it was zaraki that actually finished it. when the three of them were explaining why they were there. yamma told ichigo and the others to forget about orihime, but what's that? they planned on saving her. hmm sounds like yamma just didn't want to trust the safety of the queen to a bunch of meddling kids.

isshin being the king is HIGHLY unlikely seeing as how that would make ichigo the prince and all of SS was out to kill the kid lol. but no one ever quits SS, i don't think all these "exiled" shinigami are exiled. if it was that bad, more than likely they would have been put in the prison that mayuri was in. remember only a few people at first actually knew that squad 12 captain was promoted to division 0. at first they thought it was retirement or something (lol). too lazy to go back to the beginning of the -chapters to actually find it.

but sorry, no matter how you look at it, valuable asset or no, sending three captains and further crippling your forces right before the big battle just to save some hard headed kids is not smart. and another case in point of how yamma is deadset on rules, he was about to take out his two protoges for interrupting rukia's execution. so you're telling me he'll kill two guys that he look at as being his own sons for breaking the rules, but save some group of kids? and for the record, the captains did know before hand that the gates would close behind them, they mentioned that too. the defense rests again...