[Theinen]

I was just reading over a few threads and thinking of where the story is heading and something hit me.... Kisuke has a Cero blast....

He's even called it his Cero blast in the battle with Yammy. When yammy used the slightly weaker but 20x faster Cero blast and thought he hit him, Kisuke showed the gigai and said that attack won't work on him now because he's seen it too much and he only has to cancel it out with his own Cero.

Now since only hollow and hollow hybrids have Cero blasts, does that mean that Kisuke also got infected, or hollowfied? I mean from the way the story is going with teh -chapters, it's possible that he does have an inner hollow now. It could be the reason why he can't enter SS....

Just a thought, I'd appreciate any feedback.

[yasiru89]

Not his own 'cero' he said with his own 'attack', which may as well be his trademark blood mist defense!

I don't think Urahara is hollow-fied but in his research and creation of Hougyoku he would've picked up a lot of in depth knowledge about hollow powers and can now employ his own tactics to handle such.

[dackius]

The man is not one to lie really, maybe twist his words, but out right lying doesn't really fit him. If he says he doesn't know anything about an inner hollow, it's cause he doesn't have one and isn't a Vizard.

Now, that doesn't mean he hasn't used Hougyoku to remove his limits.... If you remember, one fully charged his invention is able to completely remove the wall between a Hollow and Soul Reaper's two sides, and thus allow you greater power. The Hybrids we are seeing now aren't the same in my opinion, as the wall is still there, but they can either release their swords, or wear their masks to reach through the hole in the wall to get power from the other side. We really won't know more through until the Hougyoku is fully charged if it does something different then, and the modern creations we are seeing are only partially complete due to partical power.

[Theinen]

touche yasiru, i guess i just paraphrased that in my mind as "my own cero attack" rather than just "my own attack". so i withdraw it on the premise, would be kinda wicked if he was tho heh.

dack, i don't remember urahara ever saying he knows nothing about it, and that would indeed be a blatant lie if he did, seeing as how he made the Hbomb, he suspects what's currently going on in the -chapters, and even if he doesn't know at this point, he will since he's vice captain gained her own inner hollow. he's aware of the danger they're facing. even if you rule that out, he had a nice little talk with isshin about how the vizard were trying to recruit ichigo. he knows about it. just like he knew ichigo had his own, but left it up to him. even yourichi knew about his inner hollow when she saw the mask, that's why she used her power to try and take it, didn't work, but she tried. he knows about an inner hollow. more the likely the whole process, this IS Urahara Kisuke we're talking about. He's like a super Mayuri when it all boils down lol.

But you're right yasiru, could have just been another form of the his blood mist. damn.... and i was trying to imagine if he would still wear the hat with his mask lol.

[anime freak Charlie]

Urahara might be a vizard, but i doubt it. A lot of the former captains, like Shinji, became vizards after leaving and Urahara left eventually (actually he was banished), so he might be a vizard.

[naczyls]

We keep discuss bout who's the vizards and etc..but why none discuss why is Ichigo a vizard?

[myname_989]

Originally Posted by naczyls

We keep discuss bout who's the vizards and etc..but why none discuss why is Ichigo a vizard?

mainly because we watched Ichigo become a "Vaizard". well,
technically he is not a Vaizard, but i dont feel like explaining
that right now.

i think that there is a good chance that both Urahara Kisuke and
Shihouin Yoruichi are Vaizard. Urahara Kisuke has too much knowledge
of the Vaizard, and how to change someone at that, to not know any
thing. i think that he is surely a Vaizard.

as for Shihouin Yoruichi, this is just a personal hypothesis. the chick is
bad enough to not have to use her Zanpakuto, but she needs a back
up plan, definitely. why not shock the world with your bad ass feline
hollow mask? just a little guess work.

[Theinen]

lol good one myname. and yea i didn't mean Vaizard (thanks again for correct spellings lol) as in he's in Shinji's group, just as he had his own inner hollow. just classified him as vaizard for same reasons you didn't explain why ichigo isn't one lol. to those who don't know why, it can get complicated to explain...... but imma try anyway! mwahahahaaaa

Vaizard is not a shinigami who has a hollow, but rather what Shinji and his group call themselves. Basically it's the name of their club, but since there's no official name for shinigami that have their own inner hollow, and with the exception of ichigo, all those who do have their own inner hollow are indeed Vaizard, the term is used loosely to describe them all. an example of this would be when they first decided to train ichigo. shiori (is that right?) said he's not a vaizard, and it's up to them to decide if he would be a vaizard, then went on to make it clear to him that as strong as he thinks he is, any one of them could prolly take him out. although they were surprised how he was hanging with shinji even though neither one was actually serious. So yeah, Vaizard is the name of their group. So while ichigo has his own inner hollow, he's not a Vaizard because they haven't officially let him in the group. they just taught him how to gain control of it...... more or less

[myname_989]

Originally Posted by Theinen

lol good one myname. and yea i didn't mean Vaizard (thanks again for correct spellings lol) as in he's in Shinji's group, just as he had his own inner hollow. just classified him as vaizard for same reasons you didn't explain why ichigo isn't one lol. to those who don't know why, it can get complicated to explain...... but imma try anyway! mwahahahaaaa

Vaizard is not a shinigami who has a hollow, but rather what Shinji and his group call themselves. Basically it's the name of their club, but since there's no official name for shinigami that have their own inner hollow, and with the exception of ichigo, all those who do have their own inner hollow are indeed Vaizard, the term is used loosely to describe them all. an example of this would be when they first decided to train ichigo. shiori (is that right?) said he's not a vaizard, and it's up to them to decide if he would be a vaizard, then went on to make it clear to him that as strong as he thinks he is, any one of them could prolly take him out. although they were surprised how he was hanging with shinji even though neither one was actually serious. So yeah, Vaizard is the name of their group. So while ichigo has his own inner hollow, he's not a Vaizard because they haven't officially let him in the group. they just taught him how to gain control of it...... more or less

haha, this is 97% right, but i think i can elaborate on it a little more.
to begin things off, the term "Vaizard" is actually the Americanized
form of the Spanish / Japanese term Vaizaado roughly translating
to the "Masked Army". this gives you the idea that it is more of a group
than anything. when Ichigo had his reiatsu sealed by Byakuya Kuchiki
in Karakura Town, Urahara Kisuke helped Ichigo to "regain his Shinigami
powers" by cutting his chain of fate. what Urahara (sneaky little devil)
forgot to mention was that this also erased the line between Shinigami
and Hollow, allowing Ichigo to tap into his inner hollow. (or in the begin-
ning, alowing Ichigo's inner hollow to escape.) Hirako Shinji and Hiyori
Sarugaki saw this as an opportunity to their relatively small group. they
told Ichigo he could gain power this way, by training his inner hollow to
work for him. Hirako Shinji made it clear upon first meeting Ichigo that
the Vaizard were an exclusive group, and that he wasn't just automatically
included. Hiyori Sarugaki also makes it clear upon training Ichigo that it
is up to them to decide Ichigo's fate in the end. Knowing that this is his
only way of gaining any real power, he accepts, only to reject an invitation
in the end. So, as of right now, Ichigo is NOT a Vaizard. he is only
a "Substitute" Shinigami, with access to his inner hollow.

hope that sums it up!

[Ax-taichou]

There is also a possibility that Urahara and Yoruichi are something else. They could have some other power that hasn't been expanded upon yet. But personally, I think there is no other explanation but that they are just insanely strong. That they have learned so many techniques from both sides that their powers are self developed.