[seeliespright]

Originally Posted by limetree89

You know how everyone thinks that Lenalee has the heart? I think Allen does, quite literally. You know how the innocence plugged the hole in his heart, now it's like a literal heart. And the innocence wants to fight the Akuma to save their souls so it has heart. I just can't find anything special about Lenalee's innocence other than the type-shifting to indicate such. However, maybe it is somehow both of them together that creates the innocence heart. . .

Well, Lenalee's Innocence formed into a crystal twice to protect her, and then it just evolved in a crystal form formed from her blood. So, it has a very close tie to her, and that's why people (including the Order) have been suspecting she might be the heat.

@izjustdrama: I wonder what version(s) of the story the mangaka is using, if any. I have no idea if Christian theology would be the one most influential or if something else. I know the two religions of Japan are Shintou and Buddhism, but I don't know what other religions affect the cultural consideration. I don't think they'd know the Gnostics, but the Qur'an is just as likely as the Bible for a source, I'd think.

[marksky01]

Originally Posted by seeliespright

I wonder what version(s) of the story the mangaka is using, if any. I have no idea if Christian theology would be the one most influential or if something else.

Yeah i also think he's adapting it to christian theology (bible).

[itzjusdrama]

Yea, it's most likely the the Bible as they are the army of the Pope and Central is, what I believe anyway, is the Vatican. So there is really less of a chance it's based on the Qur'an. Would be interesting if it was.

[tigerfantom]

Originally Posted by itzjusdrama

Yea, but the story of Noah isn't only contained in the Bible. I don't study it, but the Qur'an says that a son of Noah chose not to come.

So the Ark floated with them on the waves (towering) like mountains, and Noah called out to his son, who had separated himself (from the rest): "O my son! embark with us, and be not with the unbelievers!"

The son replied: "I will betake myself to some mountain: it will save me from the water." Noah said: "This day nothing can save, from the command of Allah, any but those on whom He hath mercy! "And the waves came between them, and the son was among those overwhelmed in the Flood.

ok i'm confused now so this passage could lead to two views, one it could mean that noah's son is the earl and his follwers or the non-believers are the clan of noah, but the earl said that the ark was the way the original noah survived and also was born, and if that's true then like i stated before earl could be noah himself and the memories of noah are the anger and bitterness noah had when the creator took his son away

[seeliespright]

If you're following the Qur'an version. In the Bible, all of Noah's sons get into the ark and they and their wives are saved to repopulate the world. But even if this is based on the Bible, it is probably on the mangaka's knowledge of the Noah story and not the actual passage from Genesis.

I think s/he extrapolated from there and then invented the mythology of D Gray Man.

We still don't know precisely who the Earl is, but I think he is a Noah. If not the first, the second - since I can't remember if they said the Rhode was the first Noah or just 'one of the oldest'.

[itzjusdrama]

Rhode is said to be the First Child, as said in chapter 86, but the Earl was around from the flood, as said somewhere in chapter 7.

Really, I agree with seeliespright. It's loosely based on the Bible or whatever Hoshino is using and it's being made up.

[seeliespright]

But is the Earl another child or the father? *looks askance* O_o;

Or he might be a distant cousin thrice-removed.

[itzjusdrama]

I have no idea either.

But I guess it's presumed she is the first child of the generation. I only thought of that after the fact.

[marksky01]

Maybe the Earl is the noah himself, then his sons along with their wives gave birth to the first generation (rhode).. not sure of what im talkin.. silly me..

[itzjusdrama]

I'm pretty sure that Rhode isn't part of the First Generation. She'd be real old then.

Age-wise, she's probably the youngest Noah, born last out of them all in her generation. But Noah-wise, she possibly awakened or whatever as a Noah first.

At this point, I really don't know who Noah is in this story-line.