[humustrain]

***spoiler alert***

I dont understand what in God's name, how can possibly that shido is still alive. since that shinigami is helping mello escape from the swat's attack, the action of the shinigami should be regarded of saving mello's life (or the death note owner) and that is just not acceptable. how can shido isnt dead while remu is??? all remu did is only killing L and watari, which he thinks COULD lead to misa-misa and thus remu killed them.

by comparison, remu died for killing someone who MIGHT in the long run kill misa, or even capture her, while shido is still alive or helping someone who is at the edge of his life.

and btw, the purpose of the SWAT team is to get the death note, and permission to kill is granted already.

how how how?? this makes little sense

Also, I just finished reading the series in 1 week, the ending sucks so bad. well then kira plainly lost to N? and the scheme itself is not too genious at all, rather it is pretty much easy to predict.

Also, it is impossible, I repeat, IMPOSSIBLE that giovanny can copy the death note exactly word per word with the same handwriting on the given time, it would take years and years.

Also, even if it is a remote bank with a safety deposit box, it is impossible that anyone can access that safetybox while no one notices (remember, Near had been stripped of his FBI power). A bank with a safety box MUST be very secure, since there is no point in making a safety deposit box when the security is questionable.

I am a manga lover and usually I disregard some illogical facts, but the case with shido is really incomprehensible.

[MikamiTeru]

Shido was unknowingly helping Mello.
not to mention... Shido was stopped by Ryuku, and forced to do this by Mello.

Not to mention, Shido did not love Mello. Shido just helped Mello out of fear of him.

as for the safety deposit box, I'm sure that they allowed Gevanni to do this because he was an FBI agent, or perhaps he was just good at removing it.
finally, Death note is absolutely not predictable, accept for the outcome in the end. No matter how hard somebody would try... you cant change the world like that.

[humustrain]

yeah it was mentioned that Shido is that stupid. However, it doesnt change the fact that he prolongs mello's life. Afterall, deathnote doenst have a conscience judgement, which should ignore if shido knows or not knowing what he is doing, or even if Shido loves or not loves mello.

For the safety deposit box, allright its probably that he showed his badge or something. However how can he made the exact copy of the book within 1 day? NEAR knew about the right book just 1 day before the meetings, right?

If I were raito, I would just kill everyone on the HQ ever since his father died. Afterall, they all did nothing, and none would believe that L is kira.

[Shadow_Phoenix]

i don't recall Shido ever writing any names in the death note though. if he did not (which i seriously don't recall him ever doing so) then it doesn't matter if he helped Mello or not. Rem stated that the only way to kill a shinigami was if they wrote someone's name in the book in order to prolong another's life. therefore that could also be a reason...even if he did write in the book, if he was instructed to kill someone by Mello and did. it wouldn't matter unless he knew that that would in turn prolong Mello's life. which he did not. so...that would be the reason for him still living.
Rem wrote L's name because Light made it dead obvious that if she didn't then he would end up making it to where L ran right into the conclusion that Misa was Kira and then Misa would therefore be executed for mass murder. that or perhaps Light would kill her. afterall. if Light ended up helping L discover who Misa really was, what purpose would Light have for killing her? he wouldn't have to if he didn't lead L to her. so yeah. Rem died because she wrote his name in the book in order to let Misa live longer.

[humustrain]

"it wouldn't matter unless he knew that that would in turn prolong Mello's life. which he did not. so...that would be the reason for him still living." <-- but like I stated before, the death note is supposed to be a conscience free book, which means that the book cannot do any judgement whether shido knows or not what he is doing. The fact is that, mello's life is prolonged by shido's action.

Anyway, remu can always kill L by strangling him, throw him from the window, etc, he dont have to write his name in the death note. (remember, remu is immortal)

[Shadow_Phoenix]

and also as i stated. Rem said that they die if they purposely prolong another's life. which the other one did not do.
and my question went unanswered. that shinigami never wrote in his book did he?

and as far as i'm aware...i don't think what you said is possible. they aren't allowed to physically touch humans that i'm aware of. because...well. no shinigami ever did. though they could interact with inanimate objects obviously. but there's no proof that they could actually touch a living being. so perhaps that was impossible.

[humustrain]

"and my question went unanswered. that shinigami never wrote in his book did he?" no u misunderstood me. I meant, if shinigami died from writing in the deathbook to prolong one's life. then Remu can just strangle L to death or even whack a chair to his head which would make the comic hilarious. in both cases remu dont have to touch L (only strings, chain, and a chair, possibly)

If they purposely? well the judgement of purpose would be too ambiguous since I stated before, a death note is a book free of consience.

well anyway the spirit of death note in my mind have receded ever since I read the endings (yeah the endings suck so bad).
One piece is no longer a manga, it is a medical textbook.
Naruto is getting more and more monotonous (i can already guessed the storyline).
Conan is also no longer a manga, it is a novel already.
Shaman King.. is nuff said.. I'm glad the series is over so that I dont have to hurt my eyes and brain.
The only remaining is bleach... which is so so but still okay.
Where is the glory era of recca, doraemon, dragonball, where the mangakas arent crazy with money?

[TrisakAminawn]

Well, it never seemed to me that it was the books killing the shinigami in question. It was a matter of their nature, a supernatural bann worked into the stuff of which they're formed. Changing the world out of affection for one human is simply not allowed. They can do it, only once, but it destroys them. So the consciousness of the Death Note is irrelevant; it is the shinigami who is conscious of purpose and whose body self-destructs.

Shido didn't kill anyone, and he definitely didn't kill anyone with his notebook because the problem was that he didn't have it.

That Rem could have killed L by some means other than her notebook...probably wouldn't have made a difference, but, well, I don't think she was able to think like that; humans are killed by writing their names down. Humans kill humans physically. In all probability, it never occured to her, as shinigami are obviously creatures of habit. Besides which, she A) wanted to take out Watari, too, and B) knew that Light would not be satisfied with L dying obviously by Rem's hand. It had to be Kira, his unseen hand clenching around L's heart.

[momicchi]

i think shido didn't die because he didn't do anything out of love...
the only reason he helped mello was to get his death note back.
the only way a shinigami would die would be if he/she did an act of love, which, since they're gods of death, isn't seen as something "appropriate".

i doubt the method of killing is as relevant as the purpose behind the killing.
i think if a shinigami kills someone out of love, whether by death note or by other means, he/she will die.