[WolvenLordSoulReaper]

I was offline, and started thinking about Death Note while waiting for a call. That prompted me to get back on MF and start this little game, somewhat similar to rav's 20 Death Note style.

Basically, this is an open forum to (yes, rav, I know a thread doesn't qualify as a forum. I'm adhering to traditionalist usage, and yes, I probably violated #55 here, but that'll be our little secret...); in which players can try to deduce certain things about other players. The player being 'deduced', then confirms if the deduction (series of deductions); was right or wrong, and if it was possible for the deducing player to have obtained that information from a form other than deduction; i.e., was certain info available on other boards prior in which one could simply 'learn' the information, rather than 'deduce' it.

To clarify: It's been posted on other forums that rav has a 'B.A. in B.S.' (read: philosophy); ergo, this would not be a qualified deduction, as virtually anyone could have stumbled upon that post and read it.

Now... take me, for example... I have brown eyes. Barring what I just wrote (you're not going to nail me on a tecnicality there, rav:-), it would be virtually impossible to ascertain this on MangaFox. There's just no way, as, until just now, I had not provided that information anywhere else. Ergo, (yes, I use that word way to much...) I would have validated it as quite a stunning deduction. (Obviously, I won't now:-)

Limits: There has to some common sense limits as to what's allowed when deducing. (You guys are pretty intelligent, but I have to mark this as a disclaimer anyway): Think of it like a job application. On job apps, there are just certain things it is not permissible to bring up.

These generally include: Sexual Orientation. Religious Orientation. Skin Color... etc. Unless the person being deduced has put in that they will open that area for deduction, you are not allowed to bring it up. (Most of us wouldn't anyway,but just to be clear.)

Also, there's a prior communications clause: If someone and you has been contacting each other, and they sent you, say, their entire bio in a p.m., those areas covered in the p.m. must be dismissed by the one who's being deduced. (As obviously, they would know.)

For example: If I were to try to deduce anything about rav, I could not make a qualified deduction about where he works, as he's mentioned this to me before. Rav would dismiss any attempt at qualifying that particular deduction.

There's no limit on deductive guesses, obviously, 'legwork' will prevent you from posting too often anyway.

Breadcrumbs: In lack of anything solid, you can p.m. a player to see if certain things are applicable. For example, if you have reason to believe that the ninety-year old Narruto grandmother has osteoporosis, you can p.m. her and ask if she eats a lot of bananas. (Bananas are high in potassium, many elderly woman eat them to try to keep o.p. at bay.)

And medical conditions fall under the same category, they have to be open on the user's list to be allowed. That was just an example of what you could ask, hypothetically. Also, the person being misled can try to trick you. Let's say that Narruto grandma has no osteoporosis, but she gets the bananas regularly to make Sundays for her 35 grandkids... she could reply 'yes'. (Which would be true.) But then add, 'My old bones just can't take it anymore', really meaning... 'I'm too old for this crap'. You never know in what context the remark falls.

(P.S.: If there really is a ninety-year old Narruto grandmother who loves bananas and has thirty-five grandkids, I meant no offense:-)

So, in the words of the childhood hero who inspired my deep love and appreciation for observation and deduction... "Come, Watson! The game is afoot! (Quite possibly my most favorite quote, next to "Eliminate the impossible, and whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth." (Paraphrased) and "You observe, Watson. But you do not deduce."

P.S.: Anyone open to being deduced can post profiles designed for this thread on what your preferences are, what can't be deduced, etc. I'll probably throw mine up here a little later...

[WolvenLordSoulReaper]

Okay, so here's my 'DEDUCTION PROFILE; where you'll learn some of my profile preferences, and give you an idea of how to play the game. First, click on the link to my profile. You'll see what everyone else sees when they go to view my profile. Take note of what that info is. (In my case, it's my Birthdate and my age. I had been meaning to fill it out a bit fuller, but hadn't gotten around to it yet. Now I'm glad i didn't:-)

Next, go through my posts to see if you can figure out a little more about me, as well as figure out what kind of deductions I will/will not validate. For example; if you look through my posts, you'll see that I won't validate the fact that I am a Christian, as it's already well spelled out. This doesn't mean that you can't ask try to deduce other things about my religious beliefs, if my profile states I'm open to validating them, but the deduction that 'WolvenLordSoulReaper is a Christian', will not be validated as it's spelled out on my posts.

For simplicity sake, I recommend trying to deduce only one player a week. This isn't a rule, per se, but the act of trying to successfully deduce an obscure fact of an otherwise unknown individual could take a while, perhaps even longer than a week.

There's no timeframe for deductions, but you only get to announce your deduction over a given issue once. For example, if one were to try to deduce the model of Mikami's computer, they could only announce that once in any given week. The next time you attempt to make the same deduction again, you must have at least one more piece of evidence/reasoning to make the deduction. let's say I deduce one week that Mikami has a G4 powerbook from Mac. The next week, if I announce his computer's actually a Sony Vaio, I must have at least one additional piece of evidence or method of reasoning to justify my deduction.

You can P.M. the person you're trying to deduce with one general question each week. For example, you can ask someone if he has a 'yellow car', but you can't ask them if they have a Ford Focus. It must be a general quality, as opposed to a specific fact.

You can try to make a deduction on anything the user allows in their DEDUCTION PROFILES. Try to think of anything that's not listed... on mine it could be Location, Hair Color, Eye Color, Height, Weight (if marked as acceptable by user)etc... Think outside of the box!! (By the way, on thinks like names, you can ask, How many L's is in your first name? Whereas you can't; 'Is your name Light Johnson?

I think that about covers everything. That Said; here's what I'm allowing for Deduction, obviously barring items which have been previously revealed:

Geographical Location: YES
Physical Features: YES
Age & Birthdate: NO
Religion: YES (Barring the exact nature of my faith, as that's already been established.)
Sexual Orientation: NO (Has already been established in prior posts.)
Work Related: YES (I don't recall posting this; Rav, NO. Established in P.M.'s.)
Health: YES (Rav; NO)
Family: YES (Established I have siblings, no exact number given.)
Race: YES
Politics: YES
Pretty Much open to anything else: I'm not easily offended, and if I prefer not to have something deduced, I'll tell you:-)

By the way: If you suspect someone might know something about someone else, you are not allowed to ask that person!! Nor are they allowed to answer. If you are the one being deduced, you are expected to provide reliable, accurate information on which the deduction can be made, unless you prefer not to be deduced on that particular subject; in which case you are expected to respectfully tell them that you do not wish to be deduced on that subject.

I think that about says it all. Here's a freebie starter for you: Though I am not Byakuya Kuchki, my avatar is accurate in one regard at least... What is it?

[MikamiTeru]

before I finish reading....

"rav's 20 Death Note style."

How to read 20 was MY IDEA
Okay, now to finish reading...

[MikamiTeru]

your hair is black?

[WolvenLordSoulReaper]

QUOTEbefore I finish reading....

"rav's 20 Death Note style."

How to read 20 was MY IDEA
Okay, now to finish reading...


Please don't kill me with your Death Note!!!!

Actually, I was always curious about that, because after you say 'Death Note 20 Questions, My Own Game', you say 'alright, got it'. Then Rav says 'assuming you remember'. Then he says 'are you an animal'. Then you fall off the earth and rav took over, leaving me a little confused. (If I had read that correctly from start to finish, I'd thought a little more on how it played out... i really htink I'll exclude myself from my own deduction game:-)(

[WolvenLordSoulReaper]

Originally Posted by MikamiTeru

your hair is black?

Good deduction. Ways you might have come to that deduction: I am not, clearly, a samurai warrior. I am not a Soul Reaper. I don't have access to Shinigami wardrobes. And any other clearly definable physical features can not be clearly seen in this picture.

Also, I probably forgot to mention this, but all Deductaions must be phrased as a statement of fact, (i.e.: Your hair is black), and you must begin a string of evidence to show how you came to your conclusion. (For example, my statement above that there was no other physical features which could be clearly discerned from that picture would be the first piece of evidence I would have used to pursue that deduction. Don't state all of your 'evidence' at once, as you will need additional evidence to make future guesses on the same matter if you somehow happen to be wrong. Remember, there is also 1additional p.m. question you can ask generally to gain a clue each week. The reason I say to do this via p.m. is it'll be a lot funner in the game if not all the players have access to the same clues, much as in the classic Parker Bros. Boardgame, Clue.)

Keep looking:-)

[KingThomas]

It seems that deducing something you've not said will be hard as you have posted so many facts. More so you think plenty before you type( sadly I do not) so it will be hard to ask the right questions. I do have one thing to point out you never answered the question so I'll make it a statement. You have black hair. If I simply did not see the message inbetween the lines I am sorry I need it spelled out even so I'll give this a go.

[ravstrike]

Originally Posted by MikamiTeru

before I finish reading....

"rav's 20 Death Note style."

How to read 20 was MY IDEA
Okay, now to finish reading...

I freely admit that I was merely proctoring the game that MikamiTeru created.
Here's a question that may help or hurt the deduction game and a preview for later insertion into the advice thread:
155. At my grandmother's wake there were two piles of sympathy cards each with practically the same picture of the prominent figure of her belief system. One had blue eyes and blondish-brown hair and the other had dark eyes and dark hair. I did not know which my grandmother would have taken were the places reversed. It made me think on a great many things for a long time. Which one would you take? I took both to remind me of all that I thought about.

[ravstrike]

My grandmother would have taken the dark eyed and dark haired one though.
Different one than the one that still sends me coupons, she would have taken the other one.

[WolvenLordSoulReaper]

Originally Posted by KingThomas

It seems that deducing something you've not said will be hard as you have posted so many facts. More so you think plenty before you type( sadly I do not) so it will be hard to ask the right questions. I do have one thing to point out you never answered the question so I'll make it a statement. You have black hair. If I simply did not see the message inbetween the lines I am sorry I need it spelled out even so I'll give this a go.

My apologies. You are quite correct. I did not directly answer the question. The answer is yes. You can also look at the list to see some possible methods one could use as a chain of reasoning to get to that conclusion.

In addition, and this is somewhat harder to do, you can try to deduce other things about a player that aren't mentioned in their posts. For instance, I never once refer to anything concerning a ve- hicle, or any I might own. You are allowed one deductive question per week to try to run a deduc- tion off of. (Again, please p.m. the question, as other players will be able to view the public answer as well, giving them the same information. (Better yet, ask the question on this forum and I'll p.m. the answer to the asker.) Think outside of the box when trying to figure out any element a person can be deduced by, and how freely you can access info about that element.

And as far as 'spelling it out,' ask rav, I'm bad at that too:-)