[ZERO PHOENIX]

Challenge me! I was watching DEATH NOTE last night and the characters even confirmed the truth with this one statement, "There are no more wars." Ladies and gentlemen, I ask, who among you will still deny that Light Is Justice?! There are no wars, and what little crime is still committed has been forced underground. There are no ifs, ands, or buts, about it, Light had delivered the world that every decent person yearned for. And just as Light predicted, all of the good people would follow him while those who do wrong would fear him. I ask you, can that which delivers to all good people the best possible ending be anything but justice? Whether or not one agrees with Light's methods is no longer the issue. The ends have already justified the means. Light had created a world of peace and only Near and Mello damned the world with their ungrateful belligerence. I will digress for now. I look forward to seeing various responses.

[kids eatrain bows]

Um....dude it time to come back to real life. Death note is over Light lost you need to chill.

[Aigirl]

I actually thought about this. There are no wars, but is that really peace? Light only created a world of fear that lacks real freedom to think, act, and live as one wishes. One cannot criticize Kira in this "ideal" world; Big Brother is there, watching your every move, thought and action. It is a Stalinist state he created; an iron curtain. And in such societies there will always be those willing to rebel and even sacrifice their own lives for their own ideals (suicide missions do happen). The "peace" Light established is a facade, one that cost many innocent lives to build, and one not likely to last, even had Light lived.

[screaming_midget]

dang the words were taken right out of my mouth. shoot. as mentioned above tryants had very similar societies, barely any wars and hardly any crime, yet everyone with a rational mind condemns them bc they were not just. they were power hungry monsters. light is only believed to be justice by people out of fear. that however does not cannote justice. lets see a few hundred years ago EVERYONE KNEW IT WAS JUST TO OWN SLAVES AND THAT WHITE PROPERTY OWNING MEN WERE BETTER THEN EVERYONE ELSE! just because people think something is just doesnt make it necessarily just. and let us look at kiras world, a world where EVERYONE, even good people, fears him. a world were a ruler cares not for family, individual rights, or love (hes willing to kill his own family for his world, misa the only perseon who knew him for who he was and still loved him, he wants the world to see him as god which cannotes that everyone is lower then him and need him to lead/control them which completely destroys there own individuality, do i need to continue) also hes centering the world around him. a true just ruler would have provisions set up for the world to continue runing in their order even after his death, which he did not. not only that but he was goin to centure the world around himself. weve seen that through out history (Louise XIV, Cathrine the Great, etc) the gov. of an absolute monarch is slow, unresponsive to the people, exploitive, and colapses after several generations. how is any of this justice when your leader craves power at the expense of his people? if anyone was justice in the show it was lights father, who, even for CRIMINALS valued their life and fought to stop evil.

[iluvanimes]

I think that although we agree on the basic idea of justice, our ideas of the details are different.Raito was enforcing his own idea of justice and L his.Two sides to a story, people.
Reality is nine tenth perception, after all, and Raito is a psychotic sociopath of a megalomaniac that has a god complex, not that it makes him any less awsome.
Raito was trying to create an utopia where there is no crime, and no war and everything is peaceful and in absolute order.Neat freak.Some say that he is willing to do what ever it takes, just to have absolute power over everyone else, but others say that he is distancing himself, so that he would have no bias if his friends or his family wronged, and he is an outside force that cannot be influences.That was his idea of perfection, and humans are made only to understand perfection, and not to achieve it, which is why he went crazy.
Raito was willing to sacrifice everything for this vision, but because he was to sure of himself and too crazed by the power of Kira, he miscalculated and was defeated by Near.
So, in short, I think that Kira is Justice, and so is L.Raito and L are both right, and the absolute justice is defined b y our perceptions.
~Iluvanimes
ps.DIE NEAR U MEDDLING BRAT!!!!U DEFEATED RAITO!!!DIE MATSUDA!!!U SHOT RAITO!!!!DIE MISA!!!RAITO BELONGS TO L!!!!
sorry.the main post was too serious for me...-.-'

[screaming_midget]

light didnt diserve his world, i think he should have been defeated by l. i mean sure in a metaphorical sense he was BUT I WANT IT IN A LITERAL SENSE DAM IT!

[Edea]

Well...
The idea of Kira/Light is good, but his method is wrong~
After L died, there was a part which Kira/Light was supported by many people~ But that's because they were scared of being killed by Kira/Light.
At first, the way he did it was still alright to me~ But he became more and more... um... How can I say this~? He did whatever it took to achieve his goal~ It was rather cruel, wasnt it?
L and Kira/Raito are both right~ They have the same idea but their methods are different...

Btw~ I dont think there will be a peaceful world~ It's kinda impossible to me~

[halfdemonL]

I think you are totally wrong. Light was not in any way justice. Sure, he had good intentions, but he did not achieve peace. As someone said before, he only created a world where everyone lived in fear. Think of all his followers: most of them probably only joined because they were terrified of being killed. Light was deranged by the Death Note and was too blinded by his immense power that he got wrapped up in his one goal: to be the god of the new world, which is why he went insane when that was taken from him. By that point, nothing else existed for him but that one goal. Really, Light is a good person. Before he had the Note, he never would have dreamed of doing such a terrible thing as killing millions of people. Even when he lost his memory, he hated Kira.

But really, did you read Near's speech or what? I don't like Near, but I think he was totally right in what he said to Light: Kira's nothing but a mass murderer. Just because Light is guiding everyone along a path he thinks is right doesn't mean that it is truly right: it's only one opinion, one perspective. Plus, if you make one mistake in stealing something or killing someone, does that mean you deserve to die? Is there no second chance? That's what jail is for: so you can receive fair punishment, rethink your morals, and be released back into the world as a better person than before.

[anime_mangaluvingurl]

Light means well. He wants peace. The only thing is that he is going about it the wrong way.

BUT

When peace is...attempted to be made in a peaceful way (no pun intented) it never works, so maybe creating peace by fear is a good way to do it cause everyone is too scared to disturb the 'peace' that has been made.

EXCEPT

Ruling over the world of 'peace' that Light is trying/has tried to create as a God is going a bit too far.

10 MINS LATER....

I just realised how weird that sounds

[ZERO PHOENIX]

Truly interesting posts my fellows. Sorry it has been awhile, but I have indeed heard your arguments and find them most captivating. Screaming_Midget, so we meet again! I look forward to everyone's argument but I am really looking forward to what you have to say. There are some things that I want to put out there.

Light's world is not one devoid of freedom. People can still do, and act as they please. People still have a choice. You can choose to do good and live. Likewise, you can choose to do wrong and die. Regardless of how cruel this next statement will no doubt sound, it is something that must be said. Simply, if exercising your freewill involves doing harm to good people, then you don't deserve freewill and it should be taken from you.

No doubt many are or have thought the same thing but I am actually going to say it. If someone's extension of freewill involves them harming others, then they don't deserve that gift, that privilege. If a man robs someone and ends up killing that person, then that individual did not diserve to have freewill. If however, someone is using their freewill to punish evil so that good people do not have to suffer, then why should one argue? Lets look at it in this manner.

A man is going to hi-jack a bus full of kids. What is wrong with killing that individual? Nothing. This is Justice! That is what Light does. We all have evil inside of us yes. We all do evil things yes. But when that evil endangers the lives of good people then something must be done. Who cares what happens to drug dealers, serial killers, etcetera. They are all scum and the world would be a better place without them. This is what Light has shown and achieved. Were it not for the delusional machinations of L, Near, and Mello, the world would be experiencing an age of peace. Furthermore, understand that peace is not something that mankind will simply reach. Peace is something that must be fought for.

We all look at things through a kaleidoscope in this forum and I am thrilled for it. We should also look at peace in this same manner. Peace is not something that is given nor is it something that happens. Peace is something that you fight for. Contrary to what further philosophical debate this will no doubt spark (and I look forward to discussions with all of you) peace can only be obtained through strong arm tactics. That is the greatest irony in the world of Man. Absolute Peace is born out of War.

Suppose you have two sides. Suppose you have two villages rather. One village lives in peace with one another while another village is filled with murderers and what have you. One village only wants to live in harmony while the other village only wants destruction. The village that craves destruction sets their site on the village that only wants peace. How is the village that wants peace to survive? By wiping out their oppressors.

Contrary to what some may argue, that will indeed end the problem. If good and evil are in the equation, once evil is out of the equation there is nothing to worry about. The problem is solved. Good + Evil = Problem. The equation is composed of two variables, the problem is composed of two parts. Once evil is gone, you no longer have an equation. You no longer have a problem. This is exactly what Light was working towards. Indeed, what he achieved!

I think Light was far more merciful than he had to be. Although he killed evil people, he still allowed those to do as they pleased. If an atrocity was committed the party responsible was executed. However, some dictators might just have the world jacked up on drugs to mellow them out. If Light's world was truly devoid of freedom, people would be doped up like they were in Equilibrium. Was Light a god? No! Was he justice? As close as any man could get.