[Babyturtles]

I'm not saying anything mean nor am I getting upset. lol. People will believe what people believe, I'm just saying that all of them have some sad story behind them. From Zero to Yuuki to Kaname, and probably Headmaster Cross. Personally, I think, for all the things that Zero has gone through, I say he has done pretty well. Look at Kaname, he turned cold and has used and destroyed people to benefit himself. Where as Zero has struggled with needing blood and sometimes refused to drink Yuukis blood. Zero still remains loyal to Yuuki even now when he knows that she is a pure blood. But he has always kept true to Yuuki. Kaname has control over himself and he still uses people. But that is neither here nor there, I like them both. I just happen to like Zero more. I think its sweet that Kaname cares enough about Yuuki that he would do all that, but you have to think about his character, what has he shown us so far. How do we know he isn't just using Yuuki. Afterall he wanted Yuuki to go with him to face something that not even Aido Kuran would face. Something Dangerous. So there is still a chance that he was only using Yuuki because she has something that he needs. But all I'm saying is......Zero has stayed pretty true to his word and himself, after everything that he has gone through. Kaname hasn't. Still love them though. They are both pretty yummy looking. Grr Baby Grr.

[Akemi Miyano]

Sorry, turtle-san.I did'nt mean to hurt you.

But your debate is really terrific! Great job! * Applause *

It took me quite sometime to dijest it.( maybe I'm just dumb?) But you're NOT improving your post.You are just making a SUMMARY out of the story.( Don't take it to your heart,please.) The whole time I was just feeling that I'm reading the whole VK again, except now it's all about Kaname. No matter what, maybe you had no intentions to improve your post earlier on,you just wanted to clarify yourself.( That should be a better explanation.)

But there's something I want to ask you: Why are you using " lol " throughout the post?

In my dictionary, " lol" = laugh out loud .

Maybe I'm just out of the trend, huh?

[Lelouch is Zero]

yup basically ur summarizing everything that's happened...but zero has done a great job!
hope he doesn't turn into level E

[Nana89]

i donno... prhs he is pitiful. but i still like him the most. and i think he is the best one for yuuki!!

[Babyturtles]

@Akemi Miyano

wow maybe it is to much for you all to take in. I didn't summarize that. Tell me what part of that is a summary. I gave my opinion about Zero, I gave my opinion about Yuuki, I gave my opinion about Kaname. so as I said before....Tell me where in there does it only give a summary of the manga cause I was giving my opinions. maybe you should re-read it very carefully. Except for events that are happening all of the below is my opinion. They haven't said that Kaname is only using Yuuki. Have they?? Maybe the reason you are having trouble understanding the manga is because you can't seem to understand simple english. LOL. Do I have to explain certain things to you, so you can understand what Opinion is. Opinion is something that I think happened or my personal views on the characters. Its something that I think and hasn't been proven by the creator of Vampire Knight. So therefor its an OPINION and not a Summary. Ok understand now.

I'm not saying anything mean nor am I getting upset. lol. People will believe what people believe, I'm just saying that all of them have some sad story behind them. From Zero to Yuuki to Kaname, and probably Headmaster Cross. Personally, I think, for all the things that Zero has gone through, I say he has done pretty well. Look at Kaname, he turned cold and has used and destroyed people to benefit himself. Where as Zero has struggled with needing blood and sometimes refused to drink Yuukis blood. Zero still remains loyal to Yuuki even now when he knows that she is a pure blood. But he has always kept true to Yuuki. Kaname has control over himself and he still uses people. But that is neither here nor there, I like them both. I just happen to like Zero more. I think its sweet that Kaname cares enough about Yuuki that he would do all that, but you have to think about his character, what has he shown us so far. How do we know he isn't just using Yuuki. Afterall he wanted Yuuki to go with him to face something that not even Aido Kuran would face. Something Dangerous. So there is still a chance that he was only using Yuuki because she has something that he needs. But all I'm saying is......Zero has stayed pretty true to his word and himself, after everything that he has gone through. Kaname hasn't. Still love them though. They are both pretty yummy looking. Grr Baby Grr.

And yes LOL means laughs out loud. meaning that I'm not taking it seriously. You and your friends are taking this way to seriously. Getting all upset because I oppose your point of views. Well kiddos, there are gonna be people out there that do. So don't get mad when someone does oppose it, cause guess what kiddos. It is just a manga and this is just a forum.

By the way. i dont' know how you would get, that I was getting upset. maybe its that first sentence so I'll break it down okay. This is what is says for you who don't know what Nor means.

" I'm NOT saying anything mean AND I'm NOT getting upset."

Crazy "nor"....used to continue the force of a negative. How dare it. LOL

Originally Posted by Lelouch is Zero

yup basically ur summarizing everything that's happened...but zero has done a great job!
hope he doesn't turn into level E

Well it hasn't been officially confirmed but from what they have said so far...He won't turn into a level E. He actually has become the Strongest Vampire Hunter. He drank the blood of Kaname, who also drank the blood of Shizuka, and Yuuki's blood. In the Vampire Knight world, you drink their blood you gain some of their strength. Plus he drank his brothers blood which made him whole again. The only reason Yuuki's Blood didn't work before was because her Vampire side was sealed away. So it sealed away the Kuran power in her blood. but once she awakened, Zero could feel the Kuran blood awaken in his body.

And all that I have said before isn't a summary. Its an opinion. They haven't said that Kaname is using Yuuki so therefore its just an opinion. I've read Vampire Knight extensively, and put what I think is gonna happen and what I think of the characters.

[7up]

Originally Posted by Babyturtles

wow maybe it is to much for you all to take in. I didn't summarize that. Tell me what part of that is a summary. I gave my opinion about Zero, I gave my opinion about Yuuki, I gave my opinion about Kaname. so as I said before....Tell me where in there does it only give a summary of the manga cause I was giving my opinions. maybe you should re-read it very carefully. Except for events that are happening all of the below is my opinion. They haven't said that Kaname is only using Yuuki. Have they?? Maybe the reason you are having trouble understanding the manga is because you can't seem to understand simple english. LOL. Do I have to explain certain things to you, so you can understand what Opinion is. Opinion is something that I think happened or my personal views on the characters. Its something that I think and hasn't been proven by the creator of Vampire Knight. So therefor its an OPINION and not a Summary. Ok understand now.

I'm not saying anything mean nor am I getting upset. lol. People will believe what people believe, I'm just saying that all of them have some sad story behind them. From Zero to Yuuki to Kaname, and probably Headmaster Cross. Personally, I think, for all the things that Zero has gone through, I say he has done pretty well. Look at Kaname, he turned cold and has used and destroyed people to benefit himself. Where as Zero has struggled with needing blood and sometimes refused to drink Yuukis blood. Zero still remains loyal to Yuuki even now when he knows that she is a pure blood. But he has always kept true to Yuuki. Kaname has control over himself and he still uses people. But that is neither here nor there, I like them both. I just happen to like Zero more. I think its sweet that Kaname cares enough about Yuuki that he would do all that, but you have to think about his character, what has he shown us so far. How do we know he isn't just using Yuuki. Afterall he wanted Yuuki to go with him to face something that not even Aido Kuran would face. Something Dangerous. So there is still a chance that he was only using Yuuki because she has something that he needs. But all I'm saying is......Zero has stayed pretty true to his word and himself, after everything that he has gone through. Kaname hasn't. Still love them though. They are both pretty yummy looking. Grr Baby Grr.

And yes LOL means laughs out loud. meaning that I'm not taking it seriously. You and your friends are taking this way to seriously. Getting all upset because I oppose your point of views. Well kiddos, there are gonna be people out there that do. So don't get mad when someone does oppose it, cause guess what kiddos. It is just a manga and this is just a forum.

0_o getting pretty heated there.

Anyways, I think that Zero dealt with his past very well seeing how much he's been through. I myself have pondered whether Kaname is just using Yuki, but it seems unlikely because I really do see genuine affection when Kaname and Yuki interact. Kaname can be a rather controlling of Yuki, which I find a bit annoying. He treats her like some pet or possession he keeps tucked away. In other terms, he does not treat her like an equal. They are not on the same level.
I would understand why he wouldn't treat his "friends" or comrades equally because he is a pureblood, but with Yuki, he acts like she is totally weak and fragile, when Yuki can actually make her own choices. he says it's to "protect her" but how is she ever going to learn anything?. There's no respect in their love. He forces her to do things. Kaname acts more like a father (except all the romantic love and stuff).. I talked more about Kaname than Zero 0_o

Zero doesn't make anybody grovel under his presence or acts like he is superior to others. It's strange how both people have a troubled existence yet each one is completely opposite. I suppose it's the background they come from. Zero still has loyalty towards Yuki because Kaname said that he could never betray her. Plus, didn't Ichiru betray his family but Zero still felt a little something for him?

Of course everyone is entitled to their own opinions and I may be wrong. Maybe I am just an over-enthusiastic Zero lover.

I thought lol was laughing out loud...

[jeanne120]

Originally Posted by Babyturtles

Actually Yuuki didn't turn so cold to him, he turned cold to her at first. I think mainly because she was a pureblood already and the fact that he wasn't able to keep his promise to her. remember he pointed the gun at her not the other way around. But if those are your reasons then Kaname has to be the most pitiful. I'll name the reasons.

1. Kaname isn't Yuuki's real brother.
2. His "parents" are both dead. and he to was there when one of them was killed.
3. He had to watch Yuuki grow up without knowing who he was and what he meant to her at one point in time.
4. Shizuka even called him pitiful. lol
5. He has to depend on Zero to kill someone that he can't.
6. He had to do nothing but watch as Zero was drinking Yuukis blood. You know that had to sting a little, especially since he couldn't do it.
7. Ooh and the most recent. Yuuki chose to stay at the school while Kaname had to leave without her.

well, that's true that zero was the one who turned cold to yuuki first and i agree that kaname is the one who is pitiful

[Babyturtles]

Originally Posted by 7up

0_o getting pretty heated there.

Anyways, I think that Zero dealt with his past very well seeing how much he's been through. I myself have pondered whether Kaname is just using Yuki, but it seems unlikely because I really do see genuine affection when Kaname and Yuki interact. Kaname can be a rather controlling of Yuki, which I find a bit annoying. He treats her like some pet or possession he keeps tucked away. In other terms, he does not treat her like an equal. They are not on the same level.
I would understand why he wouldn't treat his "friends" or comrades equally because he is a pureblood, but with Yuki, he acts like she is totally weak and fragile, when Yuki can actually make her own choices. he says it's to "protect her" but how is she ever going to learn anything?. There's no respect in their love. He forces her to do things. Kaname acts more like a father (except all the romantic love and stuff).. I talked more about Kaname than Zero 0_o

Zero doesn't make anybody grovel under his presence or acts like he is superior to others. It's strange how both people have a troubled existence yet each one is completely opposite. I suppose it's the background they come from. Zero still has loyalty towards Yuki because Kaname said that he could never betray her. Plus, didn't Ichiru betray his family but Zero still felt a little something for him?

Of course everyone is entitled to their own opinions and I may be wrong. Maybe I am just an over-enthusiastic Zero lover.

I thought lol was laughing out loud...

Yeah lol is laugh out loud. I would put that there when I wanted to show that I'm not taking things seriously or when I'm joking around. All I did was give my opinion, that somehow got misinterpreted. Don't ask me how cause I still don't know, but everything that I have said about this subject is only my opinion. except for the stuff thats in the manga thanks. and happy reading.

[terra_mangalover6394]

@Akemi Miyano

yeah.... i feel like she is pretending to ne mean to zero- which is totally cool with me- cos im a kaname fan(no offense)- but i get the feeling that kaname would notice this soo,, i hope not, i dont like seeing him get hurt,.. and when yuki said that she cant leave the academy because yori chan is there,..i dont think that that is the only reason,.. i feel like she also said it because she worried at zero,.. and the part where she was relieved when she realized that the scent of blood she smelled isnt zero's....
but in my opinion_totally no offense to all zero fans- i think that kaname should be the one pitied, he is always getting hurt without yuki noticing it whenever yuki runs off to see zero,,... doesnt yuki realize that kaname has suffered so much pain starting from the day he lost his parents and yuki cant remember him at all,......

@animanga _fan

okay,..now im doing this,... well,.. i dont realy know why but im seriously not getting heated up just debating....

1. yes,.. you do have a point,.. but because they arent real siblings,... he might be scared because yuki can have more reasons to not marry him even more- cos if they were real siblings,.. yuki would have more reason to marry kaname because purebloods are better off marrying each other to create more purebloods,(intermarriege).. gahh!!! its hard to explain through writing but anyway,.. try to understand my pov too,....
2. yes,.. he is more protective,.. but it still hurts to see your parents dead and live alone-without yuki nor anyone to adopt him and with yuki not knowing that they are blood-related... it still hurts more than how zero is hurt with his parents death because the chairman adopted him and yuki was always with him....
3. it really hurts- no argument with that...
4. he is pitiful(kaname) because he is a KURAN knowing that purebloods have a lot of misfortune in the nearer future....
5. its still painful no matter how you look at it because even if he really wants to kill someone ,for yuki's sake he cant because of the master thing- on top of that he has to worry if zero will be able to kill rido or not and if he doesnt yuki- his true love will get killed-
6. yeah... he cant bite yuki due to the fact that he might turn her into a vampire- and wasnt it stated at a chapter before that if a person willingly lets a vampire bite him or her,.. that person would be filling the empty heart of that vampire,.. which totally hurts because yuki is now filling up the empty spaces of zero's heart which might lead to yuki loving zero....
7. now,.. as for this one...- it is most certainly a reason,.. due to the fact that when someone turns you down- especially a person you love the most- it surely gotta hurt,... in addition,.. kaname might have felt that yuki cant leave the academy not only for yori chan's sake but for zero's as well,...- it's jealousy,.. and jealousy hurts a lot when you love taht person so mush...

okay,.. there,.. im done with my opinions,.. and im just stating what i think are the facts okay?.... no harm done at all,.... i didnt write this for offending you,....

[seeliespright]

Akemi Miyano, why is it that are you dictating discussion and deciding whether others' views are valid and well-argued? You haven't any reason or authority to do so.

Terra MangaLover and BabyTurtles: Don't double post. You can edit your posts or multi-quote. See the help desk thread for instructions. I've merged your double-posted replies already.

All three of you: Questions or concerns? PM me so we keep the thread clean.

Otherwise, just be nice to one another, and discuss at your leisure.