[Brera]

I agree with what 'Comtesse' said. The real Kaname is indeed dead and that the soul possessing Kaname's body is the Kuran ancestor that Rido talked about and whom he had woken up. That's the main reason why the present Kaname can't kill Rido himself. Kuran ancestor probably refers to the originator of the Kuran clan. We are not privy to how far back the Kuran ancestry goes.

It appears to me that Shiki is Rido's son and he's made Shiki's body into a temporary vessel to house his soul just like what Shizuka did to Maria Kurenai. From Shiki's flashback in Ch 41, we can see his mom telling him to just be an obedient puppet. That little boy whom Yuki met at the party is probably one of Rido's chosen vessel before he uses Shiki's body. This implies that there are other purebloods and nobles that supports Rido and awaits his return to power to overthrow Kaname.

[denavang]

Originally Posted by Lelouch is Zero

Ok...so i thought kaname lived, if not who is this guy that has kaname's body? Who is rido? Exactly when did kaname die? Their uncle he is the guy with 2 different colored eyes how is that so...that boy at the vampire party had the same thing as yuuki's and kaname's uncle, so who is he, i'm sure he died? WHO THE HECK is THE KURAN ANCESTOR???????

somewhere i got totally confused i dont get what's goin on right now!???

about so that i WAS wondering. i think the body is yuki's brother!

[itachibones]

i don't think this story of the death of the real Kaname's soul is foul-proof
on the account that when Jurri and Haruka was talking to Rido Juuri said not my child again.
And Rido wanted to eat Yuuki. Also when Haruka died he told Kaname (Rido) it was by miscalculation that someone like u were born...frozen by the most powerful creature.

ans also when Kaname ate Shizuka he said the one that distroyed the future of pure bloods, the pure blood that ate a pure blood.

Therefore from all these i believe that Huuri and Haruka-Sama had three children ( they did say that rido took their first son). Thats why Kaname said about the pure blood eaitng pure blood thing. I belive that Rido ate the first child of the sibling lovers and somehow liked Kaname because he looks so much like him and since Rido wants to be the most power-ful Vampire placed a spell on Kaname so he could never kill him.

Concerning the Kuran Ancester-Kaname and Yuki have the power of the kiran ancesters. on the account of siblings marrying each other their ( yuki and kaname) blood is now as pure or even purer than Kuran himself. I believe onthat account he is the ancester of Kuran.

PS. Rido does want to be the only pureblood, thats why his son is a half blood and he prefers his noble lover than Shizuka-Sama.

any way thats something to chew on. its just that this soul thing doesn't add up.

[Danjo]

Yeap, the whole thing about Kaname is messed up but hey, this is just a made up story about vampires. The real Kaname is dead so the Kuran ancestor possessed his body and took his name. So he's not exactly Yuki's brother. The only thing that's related to Yuki is the body!

Rido is Yuki and Kaname's uncle. Kaname died when he was young, possibly murdered by Rido. Rido ressurected the Kuran ancestor and placed the Kuran ancestor's soul into Kaname's body. Because of that, Kaname can't kill Rido because he is his master.

To put it simple,
Body belongs to real Kaname but he's dead.
Kuran ancestor is possessing the body and took Kaname's name.
Rido is Kaname's (Kuran ancestor) master because Rido ressurected him (him I mean by Kuran ancestor).

About the 2nd last question, are you talking about Shiki? o_o

[I love Zero Kiryuu]

Well, you could always hope that the real Kaname is alive can't you?
You know the bit when the manga had a flashback of the vampires when they were a little?
Do you think the Kuran thing was insides him at that time? He seemed very cute too be possessed!
I reckon the real Kaname is nicer!

[itachibones]

as i was saying i don't get that story, but i guess time would tell.

and about the real kaname being nicer. I doubt that. Imagine seeing your parents murdered before your eyes. It was at that moment that Kaname changed. if you remember Sizuka said when she first saw him, he didn't even seem as a vampire.

Kaname is the way he is to protect yuki. Every thing that he did ( even though it seem evil was for Yuki). He even gave Zero his blood knowing that Zero could turn back and kill him just for Yuki. If he hadn't become the monster he is now ichijou sen. would have prob. eaten him or something. You remember he was being controlled and hence he left their home.

i see Kaname as a nice person (Remember that he is a vampire (not human) vampires aren't typically "nice", even Yuki is feeling the change). Its just that moat of us who likes Zero don't want to see it because we don't want Kaname and Yuki together. Thats real selfish lol!!

i know we don't like vampires but sympathize with the pure bloods, most of them just wants peace, but power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutly. and the pure bloods have absolute power.

HOLD ON!!!!! Just thought of why Kaname can't be what u guys said

remember when he was going into Shiki's room and he injected he's blood into Rido he said "here is the thickest blood of a Kuran that made you u mad in want" why would he say that if he was the son that Rido took away from Juuri and Haruka -Sama.

wouldn't Rido have had he blood already, because he was supposed to eat the child that he had taken. and as i said previously Rido said it was a miscalculation that someone like he was born just before Kaname cut him up. so this theory is wrong i just know it.

I believe that Rido didn't know kaname would be so powerful.

as head of the Kuran family Rido monitored his brother and sister so that the child that they have would never be more powerful than he who wanted to be the most powerful vampire in the worl.

and that somehow Kaname was born and he didn't realise that he would be that strong.

but i belive that the vampire that Rido ate was Kaname older brother or sister. or else if it was Kaname he would never say what he said to Rido.

About "...that made you mad in want."

What do u people think???

[I love Zero Kiryuu]

Oh, god, I am confused now....
Well, do you mean Rido ate Kaname(the real Kaname)?
I guess that's a part of Hino's charm, to make the story more confusing to keep us wanting more...

[hotaru4624]

Originally Posted by Brera

I agree with what 'Comtesse' said. The real Kaname is indeed dead and that the soul possessing Kaname's body is the Kuran ancestor that Rido talked about and whom he had woken up. That's the main reason why the present Kaname can't kill Rido himself. Kuran ancestor probably refers to the originator of the Kuran clan. We are not privy to how far back the Kuran ancestry goes.

yeah that may be so.. but what about kaname's blood? i mean the reason why rido revived the kuran ancestor was to obtain the thickest blood of the kuran, and the thickest blood of the kuran is the kuran ancestor's blood, that's why rido revived him. but if he only revived his soul and put it into the body of yuuki's real brother, then his blood is still yuuki's real brother's blood right? it's not really the "thickest blood".. because then he could have just drank kaname's blood and not have to revive the kuran ancestor...

[I love Zero Kiryuu]

Originally Posted by hotaru4624

yeah that may be so.. but what about kaname's blood? i mean the reason why rido revived the kuran ancestor was to obtain the thickest blood of the kuran, and the thickest blood of the kuran is the kuran ancestor's blood, that's why rido revived him. but if he only revived his soul and put it into the body of yuuki's real brother, then his blood is still yuuki's real brother's blood right? it's not really the "thickest blood".. because then he could have just drank kaname's blood and not have to revive the kuran ancestor...

Maybe the Kuran and Kaname beone like Zero and Ichiru..
Maybe Kaname ate Kuran and Kuran seemed to have taken over...
I dunno...

[takaoka]

Originally Posted by Comtesse

What is puzzling however is that Shiki's father was supposed to be the one controlling him, right? With that, is Shiki Rido's son? When Rido was still all bloody and deformed in the strange underground room he says "cute son". Making him Yuuki and Kaname's cousin? UNLESS. The little boy is Shiki's father (somehow trapped in that form? idk) and the boy is simply a servant to Rido.

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you see, in that underground , when that bloody creature "alive" , the little boy fainted . it's just like when Rido's in Shiki's body . when Rido really alive , Shiki fainted too .so i think that boy is Rido's servant