[milchtea]

Kaname clearly said that the Kuran family started the pacifism ideology among modern vampires. If so, it seems illogical that the family that started this is so into "keeping the bloodline pure" (remember that Kaname's ancestry is entirely untainted with human blood) that they would practice radical movements such as intermarrying amongst their own family (not just between relatives, but between siblings as well.) It's almost contradictory. Like saying, “I want peace between humans and vampires, but there’s no way I’d let humans like you into my family.”

But then, it doesn't seem as though they are enforcing intermarrying and disregarding their own feelings just so that they can keep the bloodline pure. Take Haruka and Juuri Kuran, for example. They actually loved each other. If they just wanted to have a pureblood offspring, they could've married other pureblood families, or a distant relative. But no.

Usually, siblings that grew up with each other have a psychological effect that makes them avoid romantic feelings (Westermarck effect). But it's different for Haruka and Juuri. And not only them, but their kids also have feelings for each other.

Isn't it a bit too much of a coincidence? I mean, what's the basis for Yuuki's and Kaname's feelings anyway? I bet they don't even know much about each other, like favourite color, food, etc. It's like there's something that forces their family to be this way. Or just Kaname and Yuuki. Like Yuuki's and Kaname's longing for each other is destined because they play major roles in what's going to happen in the future.

(haha, maybe this idea is just an after-effect from reading Zeus by Higuri Yuu. )

Then there's the deal with Rido. Even though he's a Kuran, he is against pacifism, so he took control of the Council and ... allied with the president of the vampire hunter association? I suppose it’s just so they can keep the current positions of power that they have now.
When Shizuka said “the one who changed the future of purebloods forever…the pureblood who ate a pureblood”, was she referring to Rido and the original Kaname?
What’s the significance of his heterochromia (different eye colours)? If it was just his original eye colour, it wouldn’t manifest in the bodies that he possessed. Like, even if you originally had green eyes, if you possess another person, it’s not like that person would suddenly have your eye colour as well. At least, that didn’t seem to be the case for Shizuka when she possessed Maria.

I wonder if I’m only bringing up insignificant minor points…

[Silver Fantasy]

No actually you bring up very good points. Actually, I didn't read the manga as closely as some of you. I found out Kaname was in the body of Yuuki's brother through the forums. And I certainly didn't know anything about any heterochromia. As for pacifism, I though the Chairman was the creator of it. Dang. Maybe I should reread.

But now that you say it, I also wonder about Haruka and Juuri's "predestined" love, as well as Yuuki and Kaname's. Personally, I never thought Yuuki and Kaname knew each other well either. Yuuki blushes whenever she's around Kaname, but she can't give a reason why she feels like that and often appears awkward around him. I almost wonder if their attraction is some unexplained spell.

As for Rido, he revived the ancestor of Kuran inside of his pacifist siblings' son so he could use Kaname against them? Well obviously something went wrong with his plan if that was the case. Sorry I'm just bringing in more questions lol. But just so you know, the key to all the secrets of VK probably lie in the tiniest details.

[I love Zero Kiryuu]

Originally Posted by Silver Fantasy

No actually you bring up very good points. Actually, I didn't read the manga as closely as some of you. I found out Kaname was in the body of Yuuki's brother through the forums. And I certainly didn't know anything about any heterochromia. As for pacifism, I though the Chairman was the creator of it. Dang. Maybe I should reread.

But now that you say it, I also wonder about Haruka and Juuri's "predestined" love, as well as Yuuki and Kaname's. Personally, I never thought Yuuki and Kaname knew each other well either. Yuuki blushes whenever she's around Kaname, but she can't give a reason why she feels like that and often appears awkward around him. I almost wonder if their attraction is some unexplained spell.

As for Rido, he revived the ancestor of Kuran inside of his pacifist siblings' son so he could use Kaname against them? Well obviously something went wrong with his plan if that was the case. Sorry I'm just bringing in more questions lol. But just so you know, the key to all the secrets of VK probably lie in the tiniest details.

spell?!
now you said it... I am wondering about it too.
In the manga, everytime Zero and Yuuki had a touching moment, for example, the part when Zero clutch her to himself (after Shzuka left the room) , those bits were so breathtakingly beautiful... that you could just be so sure that they were going to end up with each other...
When Kaname made her sit next to him (the part when Zero and Yuuki attend Ichijou's birthday party), she was blushing and everything... but it felt kind of awkward...

You know what I mean... maybe I am wrong

[milchtea]

ah, I think what Silver Fantasy meant by Yuuki acting awkward around Kaname is the kind of awkwardness around the guy you like; not knowing how to act around him. Not because you are a Zero/Yuuki shipper so Kaname/Yuuki scenes would be awkward for you. or because it somehow looks forced to you? at least I think you were implying one of those. (this forum needs a sweatdrop smiley!! ^_^; )

Rido revived Kaname because he wanted "the thickest blood of a Kuran." Naturally, the further along you go to the ancestral line, the closest you are to the original vampire, and the higher the abilities of the vampire powers. Basically, Rido just wants to get more powerful.

yay, thanks for replying! I didn't think people would bother reading a long post.

[Silver Fantasy]

Originally Posted by milchtea

ah, I think what Silver Fantasy meant by Yuuki acting awkward around Kaname is the kind of awkwardness around the guy you like; not knowing how to act around him. Not because you are a Zero/Yuuki shipper so Kaname/Yuuki scenes would be awkward for you. or because it somehow looks forced to you? at least I think you were implying one of those. (this forum needs a sweatdrop smiley!! ^_^; )

Rido revived Kaname because he wanted "the thickest blood of a Kuran." Naturally, the further along you go to the ancestral line, the closest you are to the original vampire, and the higher the abilities of the vampire powers. Basically, Rido just wants to get more powerful.

yay, thanks for replying! I didn't think people would bother reading a long post.

It's okay. I like intelligent conversations better than "Zero or Kaname iZ SOoO hott!!" lol

And actually, what I originally meant about Yuuki's awkwardness was that she doesn't seem to be able to convey her true self in front of Kaname. But now that you mention it, that is how one would act in front of their object of affection, isn't it? Personally, I find Zero and Yuuki's understanding for each other more touching, but that's just my opinion. (Kaname seems to force Yuuki on a lot of things, whether she's shy or reluctant.) But for the first time, a forum discussion has made me more intrigued about the actual plot secrets swimming in Hino-sensei's mind than possible romances.

[seeliespright]

Where did Kaname say that the Kuran family started the pacifist ideology?

I don't remember reading that anywhere. I just remember that Haruka and Juuri weren't interested in getting involved in the politicking of the Senate and that they wanted to live peacefully on their own at home. I didn't think that they had great dreams of vampire and human coexistence like the Chairman does.

[milchtea]

chapter 23, page 31
When Kaname visits the council for protecting Zero after "murdering" Shizuka.
"I deserve to be the head of the Kuran household which founded today's pacifism."

and, I'm not sure if this is something I overlooked from the manga but I read in the forums that Cross Academy was created as a favour for the Kuran family? can someone substantiate or disprove this?

[rebeccasarahchan]

It was clear that when a vampire creats or revives another vampire, the creator becomes the master and cannot be killed by the other vampire. In the later chapters Kaname said he cant kill Rido because Rido actually revived him (for those who dont know who Kaname truly is, read the manga please), and just now i read that Kaname revived Rido somehow (i saw him jabbing the back of his hand a.k.a. blood into the corpse(again, was he dead?) of Rido), so does Kaname have the ability to kill Rido now?

[milchtea]

I don't think so. For one to be free of the master/servant bond, one has to drink the blood of the master, not give blood to the master.
Besides, if he did have the ability to kill him, he wouldn't need Zero.

[terra_mangalover6394]

okay,.. mmm,.. the thing with kaname and yuuki is unexplainable-at least not yet,.. but for now my theory is that,.. purebloods loving each other is natural,..maybe,...not sur---maybe there is something so powerful that connects purebloods together,... not really sure aand with the eye color thing-- i have no idea why but---maybe because the kid who was used as a body for rido is actually a vampire and maria kurenai isnt a vampire--or is she?...it's fictional---
or how much complicated we may think--- the reason might just be simple----
those things happen just to ADD drama into the manga......