[Gingy]

I've looked around different forums and I notice how every internet forum related to manga or anime often have 1 or more debates about the lolicon controversy. There will be the people who are fine with it, and then there will be the fanatics who are utterly against it to the level where they would want it to be banned rather then just ignore it.
Now lolicon have has some flak from the media lately, like unicef trying to ban it and stuff. So I can see that people in public do not like the stuff(atleast when they are interviewed by person).

But what I dont understand now is...if something like lolicon is opposed with such zeal because people believes it promotes pedophelia, or it encourages pedophiles to go out there and kidnap children or commit what they read in those stuff....then WHY are people ok with horror films, slasher movies, ACTION movies, wrestling, shonen, etc...?
I dont know, but I think that violence is a MUCH more serious issue then bad sex is...
If lolicon promotes pedophilia, then wouldnt all the action and violent media that people are so fine with be even worse?
If an impressionable children were to stumble upon both those thing at once, saw them both. I would be MUCH more worried about that kid deciding to take a butcher knife and start killing people rather then worrying that she might masturbate in her room alone because she wants to reenact the book.
So the question is...why are people ok with violence like slashers, shonen mangas, and action while they are repulsed by something harmless like lolicon? And if you say something like children are not supposed to be sexualised and that its wrong...then is it ok to brutalize them?

[Viewer_Discretion]

Because the world is messed up and there are fine lines that separate right from wrong.

People worry that soon if lolicon is let go what's next? Child pornography.

Why do we do A lot of things we do?

Someone higher then us controls the playing field. Very little is up to us.

If you want it your going to have to go seek it in places were people don't mind. It is a touchy topic. Thats why a lot of people are against it.


Would also like to add that Many of the people reading these sites are under 18 as well!
This is how things are. live with it.

[Jenkins12690]

Because everyone has different morals and some peoples morals contradict with eachother and so on and so forth(this is definently a run on sentence). Also with every issue theres gonna be some ***hat radicals who wanna piss people off.

[holabunny]

Originally Posted by Gingy

I've looked around different forums and I notice how every internet forum related to manga or anime often have 1 or more debates about the lolicon controversy. There will be the people who are fine with it, and then there will be the fanatics who are utterly against it to the level where they would want it to be banned rather then just ignore it.
Now lolicon have has some flak from the media lately, like unicef trying to ban it and stuff. So I can see that people in public do not like the stuff(atleast when they are interviewed by person).

But what I dont understand now is...if something like lolicon is opposed with such zeal because people believes it promotes pedophelia, or it encourages pedophiles to go out there and kidnap children or commit what they read in those stuff....then WHY are people ok with horror films, slasher movies, ACTION movies, wrestling, shonen, etc...?
I dont know, but I think that violence is a MUCH more serious issue then bad sex is...
If lolicon promotes pedophilia, then wouldnt all the action and violent media that people are so fine with be even worse?
If an impressionable children were to stumble upon both those thing at once, saw them both. I would be MUCH more worried about that kid deciding to take a butcher knife and start killing people rather then worrying that she might masturbate in her room alone because she wants to reenact the book.
So the question is...why are people ok with violence like slashers, shonen mangas, and action while they are repulsed by something harmless like lolicon? And if you say something like children are not supposed to be sexualised and that its wrong...then is it ok to brutalize them?

Okay, if an impressionable child sees equally gruesome movies on completely different topics such as violence and pedophelia, why would the results of viewing such content be on completely different levels? If a child sees someone stabbed, i can understand why you would say that the child would copy such a thing with a butcher knife, but if a child sees some thing about another child having sexual intercourse with a 56 year old man, the child would masturbate? WHAT THE FUCK IS WITH YOUR LOGIC? If a child sees intercourse between a 5 year old and a 56 year old, they would somehow or other get it into there heads that that kind of relationship is acceptable! And lets clear things up for you, ITS NOT. Bad sex is the understatment of the year, having your virginity stolen at five by someone ten times you age is not classified as

Originally Posted by Gingy

bad sex

its a felony. Also, violence though a serious crime is alot more COMMON then pedophelia. How often do you see children smacking other children? EVERY DAY. How often do you see a ten year old raping a six years old? Not too often. I agree that both are serious issues, but if I had to choose which to ban, it would be the lolicon/pedophelia bit. If my child got into a gang fight, i would be devastated, but if my child was raped by someone more than 3 times his/her age, I would be near the brink of insanity. Let me refer to what you yourself said:

Originally Posted by Gingy

I dont know, but I think that violence is a MUCH more serious issue then bad sex is...

And say that I completely agree with you.

IT SEEMS YOU REALLY DON'T KNOW

Because if you did, you'd realize how stupid and onesided you argument sounded.
-holabunny

[Gingy]

Holabunny:
Just to clarify, sex in this topic is not restricted to a little kid doing it with a man 10 times older then they are, it can be with people of any age...and second of all

WHATS WRONG WITH YOU!?!?

You are saying that its WORSE for a kid to lose their virginity(may or may not be consensual, but the consensual kind tends to be more common) then for the kid to get himself into a violent fight!??!
How often do you dislocate an arm, or break your spine, break your next, get cut open, lose an eye, lose your LIFE when engaged in intercourse (ok people have died during consensual sex with their partners before, but...).
The reason violence these days are so common compared to sex is because of the general trend of media to be lax on violence while being overly strict about sex. And when I say violence, I dont mean a simple smack on the head, I mean actual fights, possibly with sharp objects. Kids who watch a ninja in TV can do some pretty stupid things you know, like bury his own head in a sand box, or attack each other with actual swords or knives. You sound like you rather have your child DIE then lose his/her viriginity.
As for me, I'd rather lose my virginity rather then my limbs, spine, vitals, or life, anyday.

[holabunny]

Originally Posted by Gingy

Holabunny:
Just to clarify, sex in this topic is not restricted to a little kid doing it with a man 10 times older then they are, it can be with people of any age...and second of all

WHATS WRONG WITH YOU!?!?

You are saying that its WORSE for a kid to lose their virginity(may or may not be consensual, but the consensual kind tends to be more common) then for the kid to get himself into a violent fight!??!
How often do you dislocate an arm, or break your spine, break your next, get cut open, lose an eye, lose your LIFE when engaged in intercourse (ok people have died during consensual sex with their partners before, but...).
The reason violence these days are so common compared to sex is because of the general trend of media to be lax on violence while being overly strict about sex. And when I say violence, I dont mean a simple smack on the head, I mean actual fights, possibly with sharp objects. Kids who watch a ninja in TV can do some pretty stupid things you know, like bury his own head in a sand box, or attack each other with actual swords or knives. You sound like you rather have your child DIE then lose his/her viriginity.
As for me, I'd rather lose my virginity rather then my limbs, spine, vitals, or life, anyday.

WHAT IS WRONG WITH ME?! WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU!
If you are going to use tems like lolicon and pedophile, then please be aware of their terms. Both refer to sexual intercourse or relations between an adult and a minor. Pedophile, BY DEFINITION refers to a CHILD MOLESTER, consensual sex doesn't come into play unless that MINOR is aware of what is actually going on, which of course, he ISN'T. If the case here is monkey see, monkey do, then a child after watching someone his/her age have sex with a 60 year old on the tube, he/she's not going to masturbate, he/she is going to have sexual relations with a 60 year old dude! If you want to talk about violence like its a serious issue, FINE, but don't you dare tell me that having my child raped is nowhere near as horrible. There are more cases than one, where a raped minor will either be a chronological victim due to pshychological trauma OR kil his or herself in a desperate attempt at escape. Furthermore if a molestor is crazy enough to rape a kid, whose to say the raper wont KILL the kid. Violence is then put into play, i don't want my child MOLESTED AND BEATEN, my bad.

[Akane-chan]

Originally Posted by Gingy

If an impressionable children were to stumble upon both those thing at once, saw them both. I would be MUCH more worried about that kid deciding to take a butcher knife and start killing people rather then worrying that she might masturbate in her room alone because she wants to reenact the book.
So the question is...why are people ok with violence like slashers, shonen mangas, and action while they are repulsed by something harmless like lolicon? And if you say something like children are not supposed to be sexualised and that its wrong...then is it ok to brutalize them?

Lolicon is more harmful than violence. We don't want little kids to lose their virginity at such a young age. Violence is a part of the life. Get over it.

Originally Posted by Gingy

WHATS WRONG WITH YOU!?!?

You are saying that its WORSE for a kid to lose their virginity(may or may not be consensual, but the consensual kind tends to be more common) then for the kid to get himself into a violent fight!??!
How often do you dislocate an arm, or break your spine, break your next, get cut open, lose an eye, lose your LIFE when engaged in intercourse (ok people have died during consensual sex with their partners before, but...).
The reason violence these days are so common compared to sex is because of the general trend of media to be lax on violence while being overly strict about sex. And when I say violence, I dont mean a simple smack on the head, I mean actual fights, possibly with sharp objects. Kids who watch a ninja in TV can do some pretty stupid things you know, like bury his own head in a sand box, or attack each other with actual swords or knives. You sound like you rather have your child DIE then lose his/her viriginity.
As for me, I'd rather lose my virginity rather then my limbs, spine, vitals, or life, anyday.

Virginity is more important than your body and losing it won't make it come back. Plus, losing your virginity to someone you don't know IS MUCH WORSE than losing your life. Seriously, did you screw your head up somewhere saying that losing virginity is better than being killed?
;>_>

[Bloodywings]

I think both are bad. But I would rather be seriously injured from a fight then raped. Plus chances are if someone is raped they will be hurt violently as well by their captor.

But I like excessive violence in my movies and torture. I would never torture someone but for some reason I enjoy watching it and sometimes I even get a laugh out of it. (in movies) By torture I mean those movies like Saw.

I cant stomach rape tho. Not even in manga.

I am able to handle Bitter Virgin because its a more realistic take on the whole thing. Its alot better then those manga where rape=love. (something you'll find in lots of shinjo mayu and other mature (?lol?) shoujo. )

As to the question I cant answer it. I dont know why violence is more accepted then lolicon but I feel the same way as most do. :/

Also I think this topic will get closed soon. Since there are lots of young ones here.

[TrisakAminawn]

The 'anti-really-gory-violence-on-TV' groups used to make a lot more noise and go to a lot more trouble than the 'anti-loli' people ever do, and they're still around, but they lost fifty years ago. I think suffering rape is preferable to dying, but...I respect that not everyone agrees, and I don't think rape is a more forgivable crime than murder in the least. The anti-lolis don't want children to think it's okay for adults to take advantage of them like that--kids have a hard enough time resisting as it is. And they don't want adults encouraged to think it's okay to do that to children--enough of them justify it to themselves as it is.

It's opposed because it's a taboo, a 'thing which we want not to exist.' Pedophilia is one of the few taboos that modern society has barely given an inch on. Violence is not a taboo; too much is bad, murder is bad, and some of the stuff that gets shown really is absolutely sick and shouldn't be shown, but 'violence' as a general theme isn't 'bad.' It's human. Getting in fights is human. Ten-year-olds who have never wrestled with each other in the dirt are kind of sad. And people killing other people is thickly laid through every literary existence in all of history. (People raping other people is, too, and pedophilia on a smaller scale actually is as well, mostly in the form of pederastic relationships and underaged wives, but that's because the modern definitions of 'rape' and 'pedophilia' weren't in place in ancient cultures, whereas the definition of 'murder' hasn't changed too much.) Sexuality is also human, and should be addressed just as violence should, but acording to modern mores 'lolicon' is to sexuality what 'dismembering babies' is to violence. There isn't that much dismembering babies, as far as I know. And even when there is, no one treats it like it's a good thing.

[Gingy]

Ah NOW I realize why so many people here are being specific about pedophilia!!

The thing is, when I was first writing that title of this thread down, I could NOT think of ANY substitute for the word lolicon, it was the FIRST and ONLY thing in my mind to describe the comparison to violence. Of course after thinking, NOW just remembered the word I was gonna use originally, SEX...or sexuality. Oh well too late now
(I was having a discussion somewhere else about Kodomo no Jikan, and there was this huge uproar about how reading that title will turn all the readers into pedophiliac rapists, and the word lolicon was used so often that its stuck in my head and blocked out all other words relating to sex)
Anyways sexuality and lolicons pretty related atleast, both is in the same branch as sex, and both are heavily regulated world wide(mostly in the west then other parts of the world though).
You have to realize, that Im NOT limiting the consequences to just rape, it can be consensual sex too. Like watching sex in media would tell kids that there is nothing wrong with having sex...and it doesnt have to be people of any age. Some media can depict people in their 20s doing it, or people as young as 11-13(but usually these ones are off screen). So if I continue in this line, I still believe rape is LESS traumatizing that being dismembered, tortured, or just beaten into a cripple, but I admit its still pretty bad. But what about just normal consensual sex with a close friend or classmate? I've heard some people opposing sex in media just BECAUSE they're afraid their own children might get hot witht heir own fellow classmates, and honetly theres nothing wrong with that. Rape, sex, violence.
(when I refer to bad sex, I meant the kind of sex people in the areas dont approve of, which differs in different regions of different countries.)